a not-for-profit corporation   
PO Box 424    Kinderhook NY  12106    518-758-2646    KNGG@berk.com

 
WIDEWATERS COMMONS WIDEWATERS DEIS WIDEWATERS SDEIS ROUNDABOUT KNGG FINDINGS ARTICLE 78 ABOUT KNGG MEMBERSHIP KNGG CONCERT BENEFIT KNGG Home Page
PAST ISSUES Home Page
 
ROUNDABOUT
 
ROUNDABOUT
BLOOPERS and FOLLIES
 


 
A Little ROUNDABOUT Story from:
 
 

A Roundabout Story
in Santa Maria, Ca.
or how hard can it be
to draw a circle.

October 1, 2003


 

 

 


Sent in by a fan in Santa Maria, Ca.


Santa Maria has decided, correctly I might add, to put roundabouts into some of the new developments within the city. Roundabouts are the best, most efficient way to move traffic though an intersection. This is not a new idea. Traffic circles are all over Europe and in many cities throughout the U.S.

They are good because you don't have cross traffic, no cross traffic, fewer accidents.

There are no red lights, running red lights is a major cause of traffic accidents.

Roundabouts keep traffic moving, cars use less gas when they are moving as compared to sitting still at a red light. This is an obvious advantage of the roundabouts.

They are touted for being cheaper, mainly because there is no need for traffic lights and the electrical control equipment they require, but as we are about to see, if done correctly, they are not any cheaper.

Also, if congestion becomes so bad that cars must stop before entering the circle most of the other advantages are out the window, so to speak.

How much this congestion happens depends on the design of the circle. You might ask, "How tough can it be to design a circle?"

Well, in Santa Maria, it is apparently pretty tough.

So here comes the Stupid thing about the quickly becoming, infamous, "roundabouts of Santa Maria". Yep, that was Stupid with a capitol "S"

The critical design flaw with the Santa Maria circles is they are too small, they should be a larger diameter, at least twice the size they are now. This will allow two lanes around the circle and will allow more cars in the circle at any given time. Larger is safer but larger costs much more money when you are talking about California real estate. I am sure the land use was a large consideration of the smaller but more hazardous size.

Only a few months after the roundabouts opened drivers are already having problems. Most of the problems are due to congestion, I live near these roundabouts so I travel through them often enough to offer these observations. I have even gotten my lunch from the local shopping center and watched people driving by. It is like watching an old episode of the Keystone Cops, it would be very funny, if it weren't so hazardous.

So the Santa Maria Public Works, Engineering Division have decided they need to instruct the public how to go about navigating the circle. They are filming videos to show how the traffic should flow. One afternoon I witnessed part of the filming while consuming my double cheeseburger, they used new VW Beetles as the example cars in the video, the VW dealer sits adjacent to one of these roundabouts. Since this would be a public service video I am thinking we taxpayers are footing the bill. The filming I witnessed however looked like a Volkswagen commercial, I hope VW footed the bill for this public service footage. I have not seen the edited version of this video so I will hold my judgment until I do.

That was Stupid now here comes the SeriouslyStupid part . . .

The Santa Maria Public Works, Engineering Division published in the Santa Maria Times (largest local newspaper in the area) a quarter page Public Service Announcement. This "ad" shows a diagram of a roundabout with a numbered glossary and instructions on how to navigate under various circumstances.

I have scanned and included this ad below. Read it for yourself, but I would like to point out a couple of Stupid things in the ad.

In the FAQ's they have a sample question -

"Which lane should I be in to turn right/go straight/turn left?" TURN LEFT ???

They answer themselves with

"Be in the right hand approach lane if you intend to turn right, be in the left hand approach lane if you intend on making a left or U turn, and any approach lane is OK if you are proceeding straight."

TURN LEFT OR U TURN ??? Woowie ! STRAIGHT, Straight where, over and through the island ?

Another question from the ad -

"If there are two vehicles side by side waiting to enter the roundabout, who has the right of way ?"

Answer - "If there are two lanes entering but only one lane around the roundabout, both vehicles may enter the roundabout at the same time, . . ."

Now forgive me, I may be slow, I even re-read this slowly. I think they should have written it a little slower. If two cars side by side both merge into the same lane at the same time what do you think might happen? Crashy, Crashy.

Since the City is endorsing this tutorial I think they might be held responsible for the cost of any traffic accidents that occur due to following their published instructions. Fortunately the cars are traveling so slowly hopefully there will not be any injuries.

I am sure that this Public Service Announcement was carefully considered, engineers and planners all had input, the copy and drawings were all approved by several people. Right?

You see this is how you get to be SeriouslyStupid, when you do something Stupid but then you carefully consider, have a committee of experts review the stupidity, find errors, correct them, pass around the proof of the ad and several of our wise city planners check it, OK it, and authorize it for print, and this is the idiocy you print.

With the small size of these circles they are already congested and the traffic is only a small percent of the volume it will be in the next couple of years. These circles are in a new area where many homes and business' are still being built. The population of this immediate area will greatly increase in just the next couple years. Surrounding these roundabouts with all the building now will preclude any remedy, so that when our planners wake up to the realization that they are Stupid, they will be trapped into removing the circle and making a normal intersection, traffic lights included. A shame since they had a chance to show insight and set an example to other communities.

Well, City of Santa Maria Public Works, Engineering Division, y'all are SeriouslyStupid and you have apparently put great thought into achieving it.

Congratulations ! ! !


*** As a future suggestion maybe they should build the roundabouts in a figure 8, build bleachers around them and charge people to sit and watch. Of course the engineers and planning persons will be the ones forced to drive though them.

Entertaining I think.


Now before you email me and tell me to look at the ad, I already have. I understand precisely how to navigate these circles. I also understand what you meant to say in your text and little diagrams. Next time say what you meant to say. Be concise not confusing. I get it, remember I am the StupidPolice and you got busted.



This was scanned from Santa Maria Times, Oct. 1, 2003 page A3

Now before you start bitching about copyrights and your lawyers write
me a letter to take this ad off this page, you will need to prove to me
that NO TAX MONEY was spent in any part creating this ad.
Because if TAX MONEY was used, this ad belongs to the public domain.

If you don't understand, you are SeriouslyStupid!

 

 
 
 
 
The Gwinnett Citizen
Gwinnett County, Georgia
 

Editorial

Disclaimer: The unsigned editorials represent the opinions of the Gwinnett Citizen. Columns and cartoons are the expressed opinions of the authors and are not necessarily the opinion of the Gwinnett Citizen.


The Dream

Round and Roundabout We Go
Glenn Matlock
Editor

To avoid some sort of Rodney King-style police action, allow me to begin with a disclaimer:

I do not believe Snellville Mayor Brett Harrell and council’s $100 million roundabout, traffic circle, plan is — as one old geezer recently said — “sheer folly!”

Allow me to explain.

Personal freedom is important. Speaking freely — even in confrontational tones — against the insane and moronic plans of elected officials is a basic First Amendment right.

As for me, I’m perfectly willing to stick my neck out, to speak out against injustice, to anger the powerful, … but not if it’s gonna get me locked up!

In fact, go ahead and arrest the guy. Who cares that he’s 64-years old with well-documented health problems? He should have stayed home watching cable TV like everyone else!

Okay, elected city officials — lay off me. Do not call police. Tell me what to write and I’ll write whatever you say.

Hopefully, the following will clear up any misconception about my personal position related to these sensitive matters.

Roundabout plan perfect

Everybody has a dream and who would be so callous as to step on mayor and council’s dream. Not me!

The proposed zillion-dollar roundabout is the perfect solution for Snellville’s busy intersection around U.S. 78 and Ga. Highway 124. I don’t care what it costs or how we get there.

If it helps people get home 10 minutes earlier, it’s damn well worth it.

We live in a busy world and if we can save a few minutes riding around and around on a roundabout, then do it, I say.

Who cares if the roundabout would take one fourth of the $400 million the state gets annually in federal transportation funds?

So what if downtown Snellville is destroyed during three or four years of construction?

We can take it. We’re Americans living in Gwinnett County! We’re used to waiting in traffic for extensive roadwork to be completed. We’re used to detours and dodging orange barrels.

We can find ways to stay entertained day after day. We have CD players we can listen to. We have cell telephones to call home and tell the missus that we’re going to be late.

And simply because high-ranking state Department of Transportation officials think the roundabout is expensive and idiotic, why should that matter? Stick with the plan!

And furthermore, Snellville should proceed immediately with the construction of a new City Hall complex in the old Kroger shopping center and spend millions doing it.

Forget about the possible environmental cleanup or who you have to step on to make the land swap work. You can deal with all that later — in court.

Everyone understands that it costs a ton of money to run government.

And with all the commercial development and fast-food places paying fees and taxes there should be plenty floating around to pay for an enormous new City Hall complex and do anything else the illustrious city officials want.

Well, almost anything.

Apparently, the city doesn’t have 32 bucks to cover the old folks’ Saturday night bridge game — but there’s plenty for the really important stuff. Right?

With that said ladies and gentlemen, hopefully, my continued freedom is assured.

Email your comments to Glenn Matlock, Editor, at citizenmatlock@yahoo.com.


 


 

  

 Lewes Today

 The Hailsham News  

 Lewes East Sussex UK 

 

  Increase Font Size Decrease Font Size Send Story to a Friend
   May 23, 2003
 Polegate problems 'a joke'

 PROBLEMS with part of the Polegate bypass have been branded an      

 embarrassing joke by one local man, who was so fed up by the issues he 

 wrote to the Highways Agency for answers.

 A slip lane for turning left off the A22 on to the bypass has been coned off

 for  months because, according to police, people were driving too fast   

 around  it and there were a number of minor accidents.


 Some motorists were also positioning themselves in the left lane – which is 

 dedicated for turning left – when in fact they wanted to go straight on. This 

 was leading to some dangerous last-minute manoeuvres.


 Ted Hellewell, of Iona Close in Horsebridge, finds the troubles with the 

 £17.3 million road offensive because it seems to be taking so long to rectify 

 them.


 In a strongly-worded letter to the Agency, Mr Hellewell said: 'The  

 disgraceful and unacceptable delay by the Highways Agency in failing to 

 remedy the alleged design fault at the Cophall roundabout, evidenced by the 

 long standing and unsightly coned off area, is fast becoming a joke in this 

 area of East Sussex. 'Is there no one in authority who has the pride and 

 motivation to recommend a required solution and follow it through?'


 A letter of reply came from Graham Link, the man in charge of the

 Polegate bypass and its development. In it he explains how the Agency 

 intends to rectify the situation.


 Mr Link says: 'The reasons for the delay to the planned alterations required 

 at Cophall (roundabout) is that we have been spending recent months 

 considering a number of possible remedial measures, including changes and 

 additions to the traffic signs and changing the radius of the curve of the 

 segregated lane.


 'We have since decided that the best solution would be to build a kerbed 

 island in place of the hatched markings to physically separate the 

 segregated lane from the roundabout.'


 He adds that works should commence within the next six to eight weeks, all 

 being well. This further delay is due to the contractor having to produce an 

 estimated cost of the island which must then be given the OK by Graham 

 Link.


 This week, Mr Link said: 'The situation at the Cophall roundabout is 

 unacceptable for everyone involved, so we intend to get something done as 

 soon as possible. We can only apologise for the delays so far.'


 The Polegate bypass was officially opened on June 19 last year.

 

  
 


Borehamwood Times
Borehamwood, UK
12th February 2003

Road scheme hits county cash block

By Mark Foy

A road scheme aimed at tackling traffic problems at Borehamwood's biggest congestion hot-spot has been shelved by the county council, because it would cost too much.

The county had been intending to carry out improvements at the Station Road roundabout, but it recently discovered phone cables beneath the road surface.

Elstree and Borehamwood Transport and Road Safety Forum heard last week that it would cost £250,000 just to divert the cables so that the roundabout could be dug up.

The county said this week that the necessary funding was not available at the present time, but it pledged to look again at the situation within the next 12 months.

County Councillor John Metcalf, who represents Borehamwood North, said: "It might cost a quarter-of-a-million, but that roundabout is so bad it needs to be sorted out.

"We cannot carry on with the way it is. The traffic is getting worse and worse and it is getting more and more dangerous to get out of the station if you are a pedestrian."

The county received £50,000 to improve the roundabout, as part of a planning permission agreement, four years ago, but it will now have to spend more than it expected.

A spokesperson said: "We are aware of the need for improvement to the existing Station Road/Allum Lane roundabout.

"However, the cost of statutory undertaker's diversions is expensive and, as a result, a scheme has not been progressed."

He added that the project was still included in the council's Elstree and Borehamwood Transportation Plan.

Borehamwood South County Councillor Brian York suggested funds for the project could be sought from the company which wants to build flats at the Gate Studios site, in Station Road.

The bus company Arriva stopped sending its Number 10 buses, which travel from Elstree to Watford, to the train station more than a year ago because of traffic problems at the roundabout.

When larger vehicles were introduced on the route it found that it was no longer possible to get them into the station interchange.



*  *  *